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Sounds great, good news about the label stuff.

As an occassional promotor and a performer, I can see both sides of the coin.

I am also often disappointed by the attitude of promotors towards bands, but then again, there's nothing more annoying than booking a band who subsequently make no effort at all to help promote the night and bring no fans along.

Cheers for the Steve Finn tip - will check it out.

best wishes,

Ben


See, I have to disagree about that. I think it should be the promoter's responsibility to publicise his own events, with the artists' existing fanbase being secondary. For several reasons: firstly, I simply can't be held responsible for the unreliability of the people I know. If I send invitations to 200 people for a gig, I'm lucky if half a dozen actually show up, because young people in London just can't be rounded up and herded into a venue at my command. Secondly, if the promoter insists I bring my own audience, I end up playing to the same set of people every time, which defeats the point of setting up the gig in the first place. Then there's the fact that one artist's fans rarely hang around to see the other artists, meaning one guy will have a full house while the guy immediately after him is playing to nobody, or worse, playing to the previous guy's fans while they gabble away and get drunk without listening.

The best gigs I've played in London have been ones that the promoter has extensively, er... promoted. That way the artist is playing to an audience that's there to see the whole night, and has a sense of community surrounding the ethos of the evening. There are far too many different gigs on in london anyway in my opinion, and to have a smaller number of more dedicated nights would be more enjoyable *and* more profitable for everyone involved.
Well done on the interest from the fledgling label, totally deserved. I agree with you on Steven Finn, I plan to see him February (as well as a top harp player, his bottleneck is pretty impressive too).

I'm not a performer, I'm not a promoter but have has got gigs for bands and some of the "conditions" they lay down are laughable. The "we don't get any passing trade so you have to bring your own crowd" makes me giggle every time. It's a shame it wasn't so serious. Obviously bands should do their bit, keep the myspace/website/facebook info up to date, send out flyers etc. but the onus should always to be on the promoter.

I will take slight issue with artists fans not staying around to see other artists. I see far too many times the artists themselves doing their set and leaving, or drinking in the pub over the road before they play. If you've got a Thursday night in the Purple Turtle you're hardly part of rock royalty so don't act as if you are.

As for too many different gigs in London? My problem is that too many of the people I want to see play on the same night. I've got to choose between two on Tuesday, three on Thursday and two on Friday (there's only one choice Sunday though). More thought should be given to who is on any given bill. I've been to too many gigs where an acoustic act is sandwiched between a couple of indie bands, so again we're back to promoters not doing their job properly.
JB I totally agree with you. This is not a bitter opinion and I mean to offend no-one but reality is reality. The artists are now the ones that have to do everything and I do mean everything. The guys who run pubs and Clubs and the so called Artist Managers and especially the Major labels have the same aim. They want to make money of the artists. That's all they care about.

However, as you know, soon there will be a Website made available to all Independent Artists and they will be able to sell their audio free of charge and they will retain all the profits from their recordings. They will have the option of releasing their recordings on any of the 5 independent labels or direct release. The artists will get all the support of a conventional label but without having to sign a contract or pay for the service. That is the future and in time the site will become very popular and influential.

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